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"Of course, a worker-run society would have to give people incentive to work - and that would include making people pay a penalty for refusing to work for no good reason, or for doing their work poorly for no good reason."

While this takes us away from Marx a bit, I did find this assertion to be somewhat unimaginative for us leftists. Why preempt what a much freer society than our own can or cannot achieve guided by our "common sense" alas shaped by our relative unfree and undemocratic society?

Empirically, there are numerous experiments with unconditional basic income - either paid universally in a small test region or by lottery to individuals. They all show that the vast majority of people are happy to work in some capacity in the total absence of negative incentives to do so.

This is similar to the experience of non-compulsory schools that do not force their pupils to work/learn. The only children who tend to slack off completely are those who come from traditional schools where they learned to internalize needing an outside push. Boredom usually sets in after a few weeks of doing nothing - at which point they begin to join in with their peers in much more interesting self-driven pursuits.

Even lacking the actual experience of such freer societies - or glimpses offered by small-scale projects - pretty much anybody has witnessed some hobbyist scene or another. People are happy to engage in quite elaborate unpaid work when their heart is in it.

A future society may or may not use remuneration to incentivize necessary "dirty" or maintenance work (before that can be automated?); and opting out of such work would then arguably constitute a "penalty".

-> However, people who limit their consumption to limit the work they need to do are hardly a threat, especially in the era of ecological overreach...

Aside from that, policing what counts as "good reasons" to opt out of working is somewhat disturbing, especially given the very real conditions of chronic fatigue, etc., which now has gotten another boost with post-covid syndromes.

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Thanks Joe, that's very useful.

"Marx attacks slave owners at one point in this section, ridicules the idea that they engaged in any king of abstinence, but in doing uses the word “nigger” which exploses [sic] a comfort level with European racism."

Marx emphatically does NOT use the [n-word] as it literally does not exist in German. He uses the word "Neger" about 30 times in Kapital in different contexts. This is to be translated as "Negro", a German speaker explicitly has to use the N-word in English to capture the Negro-[N-word] distinction and explain this to their German speaking audience. The N-word is not to be found in Kapital.

[Needless to say both "Neger" and "Negro" have fallen out of usage, but only rather recently. MLK routinely talks about himself and his people as "Negro" etc.]

Which translation are you using? It would be interesting to check how different translations treat this section... perhaps you could give a direct quote, I was not completely sure which paragraph you are referring to. Thanks.

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